David Gray

I thought I'd put my comments out here, perhaps someone with the right contacts will have this heard.  I bought tickets to the KC show recently through the David Gray fan club.  I've seen DG about a dozen times live now.  At KC I was turned away at the door because of a new taping policy.  

The tour manager was called and it was communicated that audience taping was no longer allowed.  I left.  I sold 3rd row center seats to a scalper on the street corner for $40 for the pair because I was disgusted.  Sure, I could have gone in, but I bought a pair, planned on trading to the front row of the balcony to tape, and no longer have any interest in seeing a band if I'm not recording.

Since when did David Gray change his taping policy?  Why was this not communicated to the people who attend shows with the intent to tape them for themselves and other fans? Does the "tour manager" know what he/she is talking about?  

Have you EVER been at a show and been inconvenienced by someone recording the show for free?  If you'd like a copy of a David Gray show in the future, for free via archive.org, then your opinion here is welcomed.  

Ryan 

i completely agree with you. there is no reason that's okay until it's in writing in an official type of document, and it does not say anywhere that the term is subject to change at any time. 

 

its up to the website/webmaster to change in accordance to new regulations, which it apparently has lacked. ridiculous.  and i love that you recorded shows before, i have them on my itunes.

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yeah but fox I think it equally pathetic that one would walk out of a gig just because you cannot tape it.............that is your raison d'etra??!! please......................you say you are a fan but it appears you just want the cred for haping taped a show and if you dont get that then you pass??!!

don't buy it at all.......................

of course this is the same issue justin confronted in houston so I understand the frustration..............and why I am so greatful for stephan having taped dallas!

I'm just hoping to be able to take a camera into Louisville. I don't want to record anything.

But honestly, I do love the stuff on archive and I thought that it was wonderful that David allowed that sort of thing. 

I understand it if they are taping for a show or DVD. Understand that completely.

But now, I will not leave the Louisville gig just because I can't bring my camera in. I gotta backup. There is someone staying with us that isn't going to the gig and if I can't bring my camera, he is going to meet us out front at 11 so I can get some pics out back. WOO HOO.

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Don't listen to just half of the story...Get the details before you form your opinion.

"We are just passing ghost, honey, vapors of joy and hurt."

save for the austin *** we didn't have any issues with cameras tina and there they just told us to stop.............sounds like they are specifically trying to target tapers which don't get me wrong sucks but again it certainly wouldn't lead me to walk..................

i know what you're saying alex, but it's a little more complicated than that.  Taping isn't just a hobby, it's an addiction.  i hardly, if ever attend shows without my gear.  not because of wanting "credit" for a tape, but shows just aren't as fun if you're not taping (doing something you love).  once you start, it's just hard to see a show knowing that you won't ever be able to recreate that live experience at home or in the car ever again.  some folks go to shows and buy t-shirts, we go to shows and take the show home with us.  i nearly didn't go in the Houston show either, except i was with a friend (not solo like hoyt was) and we had the best seats in the house... kinda hard to walk away from.  and, of course, it was a dgray show!

Good post ryan. I shot an email to contact@ihtrecords.com asking about the change. Maybe you should too.

I don't see what the problem with allowing a head height stand at FOH or clamping to a balcony would cause at all. Clearly it's not an issue to other fans as much as it's an issue that "someone" just doesn't want recordings out there anymore and they're afraid to say so.

Sorry you missed the show but I don't blame you. I almost did the same thing. On the other hand, the show was pretty great (not as good as the Dallas Bronco Bowl show in 2000, but it was my first and i digress) and I'm sad I didn't get it recorded.

I don't see what the problem with letting tapers in and setting up and just see what happens. If someone complains, they're going to the local venue security guys and they'll handle it with us directly. The road manager wouldn't even know there was a problem at all, so why is it any of his concern to begin with?

 

 

 

all fair and I understand the passion....................still don't buy walking out however

EDIT: plus Justin you were frickin having the time of your life dancing and carrying on the entire gig.......I guess that is my point........

As an avid tape listener I'm disappointed by this :( Is there some kind of miscommunication somewhere though? Seeing as someone just did a tape at a show earlier this week? Anyways, hope we'lle get to hear them in the future too.

If only David had a service like Peter Gabriel, Kiss and some other artists have had. You know, a site where you could purchase official bootlegs. I'm guessing they're recording many of these shows anyway.. ?

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I will buy every cd that DG releases, but I have to admit my favorite songs playing on my mp3 player while exercising right now is the WAMU concert. I LOVE that recording (slight crackle and all). Anyone that knows me, knows I am a passionate romantic smuck. I love the romance in these live "free" recordings. The recordings would not be as special if I had not seen him live. They come nowhere near the true thing. Kind of like a photo for memory, but better. I can also see the fear of MONEY loss by these bootlegs...but I don't think there is a competition with this.

I am new in this territory so I am not sure if I am siding either way. Make sure all you recorders take the time to send management an email expressing your point of view. I also think this is a great place to get your message across.

Tina, no worries babe. I was able to take photos and film while the security guy watched me from 3 feet away. Maybe they have a weakness for women.  

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I almost forgot!

Hate me if you will, but I feel anyone who walks out on a DG show because of recording issues is an idiot! Was it the music or the hobby that got you there? There is so much to a DG show that can't be caught on tape. The lights for f@k sake is entertaining alone and they do not produce sound. I had to rant on that. Just saying I can understand the situation. I hope that management realized us fans find there is a romanticism in the music and the live event. If there is no reply to you guys let me know and I will rally for you, but don't ever undermine the value of sitting at a live DG concert.

p.s. Justin, you did look like you were having fun in the front/center row. I am glad you stayed and got to meet DG and star in my pictures. 

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~"Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring."~

I agree with Doll on this one.  Sure we all love to listen to the live recordings and I am thankful that people have been able to share the shows with us.  However, when you turn your back on tickets like that because you can't record, its time to give yourself a shake.  What a shame to just sell those to a scalper, some poor bugger who would have liked to see the show (taping or not) and was trying for those tickets lost out. 

Next time take a deep breath and check your gear into the coat room.  Go in and enjoy the show.

P.S. I will probably be playing ticket fairy in Cleveland.

 

 

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"Your smiles at the wake and your tears at the wedding" - DG

Aww Blue I would love to meet you and catch another DG concert. Can you play airplane fairy too?

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~"Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring."~

davidcotyalex:

yeah but fox I think it equally pathetic that one would walk out of a gig just because you cannot tape it.............!

um er blue think I called our boy out on this a day or two ago...........

And so you did my southern gentleman friend.

Let er rip!

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"Your smiles at the wake and your tears at the wedding" - DG

Bluewater:

And so you did my southern gentleman friend.

Let er rip!

Rip on me for walking out on a show that I couldn't tape if you will, it is the internet after all.  I record a show so I can listen to it over and over, and share it with other folks in accordance with taping policies.  Glory and my "name" has nothing to do with that at all.

In Boston in 2005 I had 4 seats and only 3 people.  After a long drawn out conversation with the FOH engineer, I was allowed to tape from my seat because I had an extra seat.  I purchased two tickets to this show in KC and was going alone because I planned on taping.  I know that oftentimes the other person with a taper does not understand why in the world I would trade a 3rd row center seat for one in the balcony.  I almost always trade seats at a concert to be as much out of the way as possible, I bought two seats in this case to make it easy to trade.  I specifically did not want to go alone to a David Gray concert unless I was recording, plain as that.

The issue here is not that I walked out on a show, and I'm sorry that the main point in this thread has become that.  My issue with what has happened on this tour is a lack of communication to a change in policy, or perhaps a miscommunication to the tour manager for what the policy actually is.  

I have addressed that concern with the above email address and hope that anyone else with any interest in listening to live shows does the same.  Thanks,

 Ryan